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Have CS curriculums become too generic? Graybeard (12)
Java In Schools, what about Unix? Not Berlin (6)
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C# can become the new Pascal Oren Hurvitz (14)
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Newlines in html markup Ryan Phelps (5)
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Why did you make it stateless in the first place? Sathyaish Chakravarthy (16)
Test Yourself Walter "Darth" Gropius (5)
Simple Java Test To Weed Out Weaker Java Developers Stephane Grenier (19)
C/C++ is not Java Cesar Romero (13)
What Joel's getting at with pointers Mike Schiraldi (1)
Java - Face the future Simon Davis (7)
Prolog Mark Flory (4)
Branch code coverage tools? Ontario ISV (1)
Definition of a Good Programmer Mark Flory (11)
Name a real programmer that doesn't know... Bill Rushmore (9)
Compensating for JavaSchoolitis Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (8)
Perils of Java Schools Jon Kern (3)
Pointers no good for new software fields Keith (16)
dynamic image map creation with irregular boundaries Mark Warner (6)
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Objective C vs C++ Berislav Lopac (13)
JavaSchool vs Comp-Sci Paddy3118 (3)
Thanks to Joel and the rest Ajit de Silva (0)
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Apptitude, not checklists A CTO (11)
(My) Problem with Scheme etc is lack of motivation Tim Jansen (14)
What data structures and algorithms that you learnt at school Rick Tang (5)
Low level skills more important at Microsoft than Google? Crimson (4)
Copilot review Ben Mc (0)
Joel's recent as well. KayJay (7)
First step towards a great programmer WanneBeaGreatProgrammer (7)
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Future information medium IRC Not Berlin (3)
Punch card trivia - true story Pierre Cloutier (11)
Recursion is hard? SomeBody (13)
C - the good old days MBJ (14)
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Hackers Sathyaish Chakravarthy (16)
Don't praise accidental complexity; bury it Oren Hurvitz (51)
For all those who feel mortally insulted... Arrogant Phony (4)
The Perils of a Java Career Bill Rushmore (20)
"CS programs aren't vocational schools" Philo (52)
JavaSchools Eric Sink (49)
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new language for a new year? (haskell?) hello (15)
Fonts - Arial and Helvetica Dennis Forbes (9)
Search Sathyaish Chakravarthy (3)
Australian Software Software companies? Darpana Munjal (6)
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what are you happier with, the tech, or the idea? zoidberg (18) vs php Ivan Rodriguez (19)
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Quickie Aardvarked Movie review.  I liked it! Crimson (0)
Formal verification! Joey Green (18)
Mac OS X for the IBM compatible PC? It's already happened ! Spoonfed Hybrid (9)
Predicament Yoey (21)
The Wall Street Programming Environment Wall Street Programmer (43)
Writing software for Mac? PC Programmer (4)
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How can I measure my personal productivity Josh (15)
Wired's 110 Sexiest Geeks of 2005 Berislav Lopac (10)
Regex help... Bart (5)
Rant : Excel sucks! Vivek (40)
Best C++ Environment on Linux? oldschooler (10)
Paul Graham's Reddit now in Python, not Lisp, Lispers upset sharkfish (11)
Philo's prediction - 2006 hot technology Philo (15)
The "Emacs" of accounting software sharkfish (36)
Website Review Shane Harter (20)
Virtual PC - avenue to pirating/moving applications? Bored Bystander (8)
MS Buys opera conspiracy theory Joel S (6)
The futures bright? Dan (9)
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Visual Studio 2005 Express "free" editions a ploy? DrinkTheKoolAid (16)
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Rudra: The Lord Of Destruction (Of Evil) Sathyaish Chakravarthy (5)
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Albert Kallal:  your thoughts on thin clients sharkfish (16)
Anyone tried the special Linksys HR200 wireless-G from Tesco? Ian Boys (4)
Operating System Design Tim (23)
LINQ sharkfish (15)
How do I always find the undocumented stuff? Philo (17)
Moving installed Windows apps to new PC? Mover (7)
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MS buys Opera? KayJay (19)
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Dr.GUI's Gentle Guide To COM Sathyaish Chakravarthy (2)
Legal status of header spoofing, e.g. User Agent spoofing. KayJay (3)
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Creative Question: Getting Website Hits... Peter Sherman (12)
CS Education today Post first, ask questions later (10)
Solution to take remote control on mobile device ? Quartex (6)
SQL Server 2005 Rollout Brandon K (13)
Freelance Development (a.k.a. consulting) Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (19)
Firefox Extensions BullMann (10)
Windows XP 64 bit or Windows XP? Bored Bystander (15)
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Lots of small files take ages to backup... Chris O (8)
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Gmail signup I forgot my posting name. (15)
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What business benefit does structure (SDLC) have? Patrick (14)
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[Outlook Express] Why does it open msg automatically? Fred (3)
Suggestion for Fogcreekers when shipping DVDs... Crimson (7)
Big files... Matt (10)
Why I got fed up with RSS readers (and what I've done about it) Matt Breckon (20)
Recomendations for HOME/SOHO Firewall/VPN/AP ?? Javier Jarava (4)
If everyone stopped using their PDA..what do they use? Albert D. Kallal (20)
Can I lie (or mislead) to pass through HR? Kyle (23)
Contract to Hire with MS? Anonymous For Now (14)
Does Edit and Continue make us sloppy developers? Dennis Forbes (18)
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Why did Joel rebuild UPS WorldShip from scratch? Randy Allen (16)
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Moving to the new support group... Timothy (9)
IT Recruit: Technical tests Java Aholic (0)
Windows XP Service Failure Counter James (0)
I can't move to .NET 2 yet because.... mutabled (8)
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Present: CS Theory/Game Theory/Math Theory book? Dan Levine (16)
IT Recruiter Bashing Patrick (37)
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ASP Obfuscator? KC (14)
WHICH degree should I get? Whiskey Tango Foxtrot (37)
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CVS guide Patrick (0)
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LinkedIn algorithm me (10)
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XP vs. Agile Development Sathyaish Chakravarthy (12)
2 web windows open - how do  they not trip on each other? Albert D. Kallal (20)
A Mac for my 5 year old? Geek Dad (10)
Extending, using and refactoring OSS PurposeMaker (11)
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Where to get BSCS (on-line?) What About Thad? (2)
Will a CS degree help you pass the Joel Test? Grant (27)
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Why should I get a degree - Part III SongSing Writer (16)
How Hard is Heart Surgery Anyway? son of parnas (38)
Learning ActiveX questions Ken Klose (3)
Your ideas and the way you sell them Marko Hrovatic (9)
Sharing the dog food Li-fan Chen (16)
50% of Software Developers do not have CS or related degrees Jeff Huber (39)
eyeOS sharkfish (25)
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Inventory control software for small engineering firm Eric Jacobsen (7)
Adam Curry is one of the best DJs in the world? Duq (3)
The Madness of Microsoft Word John Topley (9)
Advice on build tools (and version control) Scotty (18)
App cracked in......5 minutes siesta (28)
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RubyOnRails Windows IDE? RubyIDE (15)
What is your remote support strategy….co-pilot? Albert D. Kallal (15)
Microsoft yanked VS 6.0 and Win2000 from MSDN! Turtle Rustler (14)
whats the credibility of the host? dripple (4)
[Windows] Server monitoring app sitting in icon bar? Fred (7)
Interview Yoey (22)
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Why Should I Get A Degree - PART II Brice Richard (50)
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Aardvark'd gave me a different take on Joel & crew Christopher Hawkins (20)
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Is there a Java XML Parser with XInclude (XPointer) Support? Frank Spychalski (0)
Airline blogs are the new black? Chris O (20)
First impressions of VS2005 James (7)
Lisp in Java, Java in Lisp Not Berlin (0)
Haskell as a langauge to learn ! Samuel Rosa (9)
Functional specs and comps Mike Stephenson (10)
Fast Java!! BenjiSmith (12)
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HP LaserJet 2420 and printers in general Peter Leaton (24)
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How to Ship Anything Event Horizon (24)
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Joel on Knuth Joe Grossberg (81)
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Method Design Shane Harter (14)
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JoS readers - Where are you? y0mbo (56)
Best way of measuring code complexity? Colm O'Connor (15)
Why do companies insist on hiring people with good grades? Straight_A (50)
We've lost all your files by design. Stephen Jones (17)
No excuse for unloved products Bankstrong (2)
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JoS-like forum software Steve (11)
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Thin Client development book Steve Hirsch (17)
Garbled select elements jackson (5)
Firefox 1.5 JavaScript Console Phil (3)
Linux Telnet RPM Ronnie (13)
Whos computer is it anyway? or leave me alone and let me work... Claire Rand (25)
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Secret Clearance A Bit Nevervous for No Good Reason (27)
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Teaching Programming to early teens.  Flash vs. VB ? Bella (61)
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SQL, Objects and reports sharkfish (45)
learning unix *nix (24)
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Wall Street Traders - A Programmer’s Perspective Wall Street Programmer (30)
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