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Positions now wanting TWO degrees!

The last thread got me interested in see what is out there.  The first place I look listed under educational requiremen "Bachelor’s Degree in Computer Science and some type of business degree required."

It seems that today at some companies to land an analyst position you need to have finished two degrees.  Boy have things changed!
Only got one degree :-(
Saturday, June 21, 2008
 
 
Those two degrees are very commonly required.

It's weird that they'd want a bachelor's in computer science *and* a bachelor's in business. on the whole, it'd be better to have a bachelor's in computer science and some *experience* in business.
Colm
Saturday, June 21, 2008
 
 
commonly *combined*.

ugh. me dumb today.
Colm
Saturday, June 21, 2008
 
 
Not just today Colm.
Ward Bush
Saturday, June 21, 2008
 
 
Perhaps it was just a mistake by the person posting the position. Perhaps they meant to say "experience" rather than "degree" for the business aspect.
The Original Henry
Saturday, June 21, 2008
 
 
No, companies want multiple degrees, preferably all masters. They also want young people who aren't married and don't have any heath problems that would affect insurance premiums, and you need to be willing to work for far less than the standard rate.
Tony Chang
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
But hell why not, I wanted a pony when I had the mentality of a 5 year old also. The only problem here really is that I was 5 at the time, and the guys posting these ads are older than 5.
Tony Chang
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
This is a pretty good meme. If you ever have a chance to respond to one of these ads ask them what color pony they want or if any color will do. Also might clarify if they want the stainless steel or the enameled kitchen sink.
Tony Chang
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
Also, I've observed on newsgroups that when someone posts one of these ads and smartasses like me come along and make pony comments, the person will post "That's OK, Tony, we got MANY responses and SEVERAL of them had all the qualifications we need and we HIRED them." Then a month later, the exact same ad and vague company description reappears under a new user name.
Tony Chang
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
The low return on investment, number of years spent attaining two degrees, opportunity costs,  wages not commensurate with knowledge, lack of jobs requiring such extensive knowledge, the entrepreneur down the street who makes twice as much with  less degrees...

ridiculous, i agree with you all the way Tony Chang
John Doe Send private email
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
Americans are simply lazy and do not value degrees and education.

This is why you should hire our firm, India Technology Consultation Network Ltd. All of our engineer specialist consultants have Masters and PhDs in every degree field, from Astronomy to Zoology.
Pradeep Santoor, CEO, ITCN, Ltd.
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
I want to think that's satire - but I really don't know!
Martin Send private email
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
That's OK, Tony, we got MANY responses and SEVERAL of them had all the qualifications we need and we tried to HIRE them.  Unfortunately we didn't manage to get H1Bs for them.  I guess we'll have to try again next year!
Iago
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
"All of our engineer specialist consultants have Masters and PhDs in every degree field, from Astronomy to Zoology"

That of course is the marketer's method of saying that they are hiring Astronomy and Zoology majors to do IT work.

Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
They aren't necessarily asking for 2 degrees..

I have BBA in CIS. That’s one degree and it fulfills there Requirement.

If they asked for an MBA in CIS you complain?
to lazy to log on
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
I have seen ads that wanted someone with both a BSCS and an MBA (or similar).  They are usually either customer facing engineers or business analysts.

Still, I am seeing more and more employers not just wanting, but expecting advanced degrees now.  I really don't understand.  I thought companies were claiming the supply of technical people was low, yet they are raising requirements?  Is this some ploy to allow them to go the cheap H1b or offshore route?  Something is not making senes.

A friend of mine doubled up with a MSCS and a MS Management.  He did the MSCS because he loved computers, but he said he finally had to get the business degree to open up other opportunities.  Luckily for him employers paid for a fair amount of his graduate course work and there were good evening and weekend programs near by.  So he didn't have to give up on building "real world" experience or pay out too much money.

With the way world wide competition for jobs is going I've also been considering a Master's in International Management or an MBA in addition to my MSCS.  I need to have options as I get older.
Leon
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
"Something is not making senes."

It makes sense only if you assume the people doing the hiring are irrational and have unreasonable expectations.

Given the situation with mortgages, the dollar, the energy crisis, ethanol wishful thinking, the so-called hydrogen economy, promises of free unlimited universal health care at zero cost, etc, etc, what are the chances they are irrational and have unreasonable expectations.
Tony Chang
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
This isn't common, it's just a few companies you happen to see.

Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
"This isn't common, it's just a few companies you happen to see."

I think what people are saying is that it is a growing trend.  I'm also seeing it.  It start primarily with the large mega-corps and some other suits are picking up on it.

The question is if the trend continues how will this affect you in 5 to 10 years?  Working on additional education in night school could take 4, 6, or more years.  If it becomes standard in 5 years you won't be ready unless you are already in a program today.

I for one don't even think the international competition has really kicked in yet.  China and India's universities are going to get better.  A lot better.  Russia is sitting on top of a large number of highly educated engineers and scientists today.

Don't think for a moment that H1Bs are going away.  If anything more worker programs are coming, and more companies will find it cheaper and cheaper to open offices overseas.

Welcome to the new work world.  It will only get tougher here on out folks.
I'm not sitting on my behind.  I'm getting ready!
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
Any one who doesn't have two degrees already, we don't even look at. The question for those of you with two degrees is, will you have three degrees in time? Because that is the new minimal baseline for any sort of professional work.
William P. Bates
Sunday, June 22, 2008
 
 
"I think what people are saying is that it is a growing trend.  I'm also seeing it.  It start primarily with the large mega-corps and some other suits are picking up on it."

Yes and I'm telling you it's not a growing trend.

Monday, June 23, 2008
 
 
"Yes and I'm telling you it's not a growing trend."

Give me some of what he's smoking!
chad
Monday, June 23, 2008
 
 
Sorry but here in the Bay Area most all of the best paying technical jobs now require a master's degree.  These are not the jobs you see on monster.com.  These are the real high paying design jobs.  And most certainly companies are now preferring multi-degree types.  For example having a MSCS with a MBA is very hot right now. You also see a lot more companies that want a MSCS along with a MS in a specific field.

The best paying jobs have the highest demands.  And with lower paying jobs getting offshored people are having to compete more.
Ngu
Monday, June 23, 2008
 
 
If this field starts requiring two degrees then might as well just become a doctor, same amount of time in school and way more $$.
Anon for this
Monday, June 23, 2008
 
 
I'm not surprised. Back when the trucking company I was working for folded, most trucking/warehouse positions worth having required a degree. They didn't care in what, really, it was just a filter to reduce the size of the slush pile.
Ron Porter Send private email
Tuesday, June 24, 2008
 
 
The number of software professionals far outnumber the number of people with computer science degrees, so I don't see how requiring multiple degrees is going to be a trend anytime soon.
Grumpy .NET programmer
Friday, June 27, 2008
 
 

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