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Ray Ozzie is at it again...

Ray Ozzie (#3 guy at MS, effectively), is at it again. Live Clipboard is something micro-ISVs should at least be aware of.

Ozzie's Post: http://spaces.msn.com/rayozzie/blog/cns!FB3017FBB9B2E142!285.entry

Transcript of talk at ETech today:

Post with some clarifying info by his brother Jack:

Bob Walsh Send private email
Tuesday, March 07, 2006
OK, doesn't seem too exciting though. This is just being able to copy and paste xml objects by using their reference, or in other words, adding xml to the supported clip board flavors. Or is there something I am missing.
Art Wilkins
Tuesday, March 07, 2006
Bob Walsh Send private email
Tuesday, March 07, 2006
This is demonstrating a nice XML standard for exchanging structured data.  The "clipboard" part of the title is misleading as the clipboard in the demo is the Windows clipboard.  So it has nothing to do with a "live" clipboard, or a clipboard for the web.  What *is* useful and important here is the proposed XML standard for structured data for allowing different apps (web or desktop) to share such structured data.

So you still need ClipMagic (now Freeware):

See, for a minute I thought this new live clipboard was going to make ClipMagic obsolete ...
Marcus Send private email
Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Ah, but what Jack/Ray Ozzie are also saying is what if you could store your clipboard online at Microsoft Live?

For example, say you LC copy an Amazon product, save it to MS Live and then a few days later decide to LC paste it back to Barnes and Noble?
Bob Walsh Send private email
Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Just don't see much benefit...kinda like .net.

Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Yeah I don't really get the big deal either.  If what you were describing were the case thats one thing, but it appears to just be a sample of moving data from one specifically setup div to another specifically setup div.  I don't think Amazon would configure their site's clipboard to work with Barnes and Noble's etc... unless i'm missing something.
Phil Send private email
Wednesday, March 08, 2006
Live Clipboard itself isn't much.

The idea that you have data completely separate from applications - is an old idea that has been extraordinarily difficult to implement.

For example, I have my first name, credit card number, and expiration date written down somewhere like notepad. In theory, I should be able to go to any shopping site, say "here's a pointer to my credit card info" and the site will extract what it needs. By the same token, if I go to a warez site, I should be able to block any attempt to read my credit card info.

What if I used wordpad instead of notepad? Or emacs? Or vi? Or used PGP and stored the info in memory only?  I should still be able to say "here is my card, don't make me read off the numbers."

Seems like Ozzie has decided the clipboard/XML approach is the perfect middleman to accomplish that.

Incidently, I still think it's a pipe dream, but I'm willing to wait and see if he actually ships anything, including an XML schema and a set of standards.
Wednesday, March 08, 2006

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